Over at the DU ShinerTX who views the terrorists as freedom fighters says:
We have to stand up for what's right, regardless of what other people think, and regardless of the cost. Compromise is what has led us to this point with the Chimp in control. We can't back down. The more we back down--and the more we applaud at all what they do there--the more they will take from us.Spoken like a true vanguard of the people.
To which redikop3 replies:
You're oh so brave. Regardless of the cost? What cost? What the hell do you risk challenging the government of the US? You want to see courageous people turn on your TV and look at Iraqi women carrying their babies to the polls. You'll belittle it because you're a buffoon, but they're the ones defending what's right while you brag about your courage for posting on a website hardly anyone cares about.ctaylor gets it as well. The demise of the Democrats as a real party with a warning to real Republicans as well.
If you want to cheer on a bunch zealots who stone gays and beat women or power-mad fascists, then go over to Pat Robertson's or the neo-Nazi's website. It's that kind of anti-democratic Democratic thinking that is turning the DNC into the minority party everywhere.There is a future for this guy in a real political party. Which unfortunately the Democrats have ceased to be.
If what happened today in Iraq is screwing up the world, then we've got to figure out how to screw it up faster. Maybe if we could screw up mainland "company town" China their workers could have real unions and be able to bargin for better conditions. Let's screw up Iran next. After their wars women are enough of a majority there they might could elect some feminists.
Why does Bush say he wants to spread freedom around the world? If that's what American's want to here, then let's get out in front of it and complain from the cutting edge that the conservatives are too slow. Tell people that if they want to make sure its done right then who better than the party of Jefferson and Wilson and Roosevelt.
This short-sighted "the enemy of my political oponent is my friend" obsession is not only going to alienate voters, it's going to destroy an otherwise great opportunity to spread democracy around the world.
It's not enough to say that Bush's inaugural speech sounded pretty but he doesn't mean it, you have to follow it up by saying "BUT WE DO, we have a track record of 2 centuries of success, and if you give us a chance we'll show you again." How many people are going to be inspired by following it up with "and we'll protect your Social Security better?" Deep down people need to be a part of something greater than themselves. Maybe "fighting to blow up hopeful voters" seems great to a few people, but "fighting to make sure the bravery of hopeful voters is not wasted or betrayed" sounds better to me. I'll bet it sounds better to a lot of swing voters too.
As far as people "betraying their country" by wanting to vote... How the (&@(#& is that kind of nationalist thinking progressive?
You have to be fast over at the DU. Voices of dissent are quickly silenced. redikop3's post has already (21:09z) been removed. Took 'em less than 40 minutes. Down the old memory hole. Fortunately I have the main point recorded here.
Do they really think Stalinism has a future in America?
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