Showing posts with label Copperheads. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Copperheads. Show all posts

Monday, November 05, 2007

Pelosi Disapproves Of Congress

Pelosi disapproves of Congress.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, speaking at a recent news conference, said she doesn't blame Americans for giving Congress low marks, given that the party hasn't "been effective in ending the war in Iraq." She added: "If you asked me in a phone call, as ardent a Democrat as I am, I would disapprove of Congress as well."
I think she is learning what the Copperheads of a different era learned. When the fortunes of war change the Copperheads slink off into the night.

H/T Instapundit.

Tuesday, November 02, 2004

A discussion with the Left - War and Peace

So I'm having a discussion with some leftys about war and peace and military atrocities at the Washington Note.

It starts off with a critique of an officer who decrys the influence of politics on military affairs:

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[The officer] must not have read his Clauzwitz. That would mean that he is not properly trained as an officer and doesn't belong in the military.

"War is politics by other means."

Either [The officer] is not an officer or he is a bad one.

Any way every war needs its Copperheads and McClellans. Seems there is no shortage even today.

I have something to say on the matter here with a link to one of Wretchard's fine pieces:

Copperheads

Posted by: M. Simon at November 1, 2004 11:19 PM

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Then I respond to a guy who says war for oil is a bad thing:

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Without oil a lot of people on this earth would die in six months. We depend on oil to feed people.

Now who do you suppose will do most of the dying without oil? Soros? Buffet?

A few thousand dying for oil is not a bad thing if the alternative is the deaths of hundreds of millions.

Don't you leftys ever think this stuff through?

I was a very staunch Democrat once.

The kind of silliness I see today is a reason I am no longer of that persuasion. Don't get me wrong. I'm none to happy with chimpy in a number of ways. But he gets it.

Oil means a better life for the poor of the world. Without it they die. Until we get to a post oil economy we have to look out for the interests of the poor. There are currently not enough horses to keep the poor we have alive using 1870s agriculture.

Posted by: M. Simon at November 1, 2004 11:29 PM

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Then we have an idealistic Dutchman who says if people stopped killing there would be no more killing so just stop right now please:

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To a Dutch Guy,

Nice Europeans. Such a moral people. They refused to kill in 1937 when Hitler took the Rhineland. And in 1938 when he wanted Czechoslovakia. In 1939 when Russia and Germany took Poland the western allies avoided killing as well. Good for them.

In 1940 the killing began in ernest and didn't end until 1945. The butchers bill was rather high for all the unwillingness to kill.

Americans still remember the history Europe wishes to forget. "Peace for our time." Has such a nice ring doesn't it? If only.

I'm really sorry my father and his cohorts did any killing on your behalf. If it weren't for my relatives in the camps, knowing Europe as I do today, I'd say we should have let you guys rot.

So I tell you what Dutch Boy.

Get out there between the armies and stop the killing on your own. Or is it you are so afraid of death that you prefer sitting in your quiet room, freed by the blood of Americans, wringing your hands and begging for an end to war?

War will end when all people deal with the alpha male struggle in a semi-civilized way. Until then war is our nature. You don't like that? Hide under the covers and hope it goes away. It is the one thing despots fear. People hiding under the covers begging for peace. LOL.

Posted by: M. Simon at November 2, 2004 12:04 AM

Sunday, October 24, 2004

Copperheads

Mark Steyn has a very good piece over at one of America's more conservative papers the Chicago Sun Times (for those of you from the area - quite a reversal, eh?).

If the present Democratic-media complex had been around earlier, America would never have mustered the will to win World War II or, come to that, the Revolutionary War. There would be no America. You'd be part of a Greater Canada, with Queen Elizabeth on your coins and government health care.
What Steyn leaves out is the history of the Democratic Party when it comes to slavery and the Civil War. Or the War of Southern Stupidity if you prefer.

Copperheads were Democrats who wanted to make a deal with the South and end the endless cost and dying.

Fortunately we had a few good Generals in the field (Grant, Sherman, hell even Meade) and one traitorous Democrat General - McClellan. Well he wasn't a traitor in a legal sense. But, certainly in a moral sense.

There is a reason that the South was Democrat for over one hundred years after the War. There is a reason that most of the KKK resides in the Democrat Party. There is a reason Robert Byrd is in the Senate and David Duke is out on his ear.

Well this time the Democrats couldn't find an acceptable general. So we will have to make do with a Navy Lt. Who served in the war.

Let us look at the Copperheads (Peace Democrats) they hated black equality. Funny, huh?

The Copperheads believed that:
...the Republicans had provoked the South into secession; that the Republicans were waging the war in order to establish their own domination, suppress civil and states rights, and impose "racial equality"; and that military means had failed and would never restore the Union.
Things haven't changed much have they? One point: they now adopt racial equality while still opposing religious equality. They hate Conservative Christians and all pro-Israeli Jews.
As was true of the Democratic party as a whole, the influence of Peace Democrats varied with the fortunes of war. When things were going badly for the Union on the battlefield, larger numbers of people were willing to entertain the notion of making peace with the Confederacy. When things were going well, Peace Democrats could more easily be dismissed as defeatists. But no matter how the war progressed, Peace Democrats constantly had to defend themselves against charges of disloyalty. Revelations that a few had ties with secret organizations such as the Knights of the Golden Circle helped smear the rest.

The most prominent Copperhead leader was Clement L. Valladigham of Ohio, who headed the secret antiwar organization known as the Sons of Liberty. At the Democratic convention of 1864, where the influence of Peace Democrats reached its high point, Vallandigham persuaded the party to adopt a platform branding the war a failure, and some extreme Copperheads plotted armed uprisings. However, the Democratic presidential candidate, George B. McClellan, repudiated the Vallandigham platform, victories by Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman and Phillip H. Sheridan assured Lincoln's reelection, and the plots came to nothing.

With the conclusion of the war in 1865 the Peace Democrats were thoroughly discredited. Most Northerners believed, not without reason, that Peace Democrats had prolonged war by encouraging the South to continue fighting in the hope that the North would abandon the struggle.
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You know you can learn a lot by studying history. And what do we learn:

The Democrats are reverting to form. Except this time overt prejudice (except for Conservative Christians and all Zionist Jews) is out. We instead see the soft bigotry of low expectations on a whole range of issues.

You know: blacks can't compete so they need affirmative action. The wogs are incapable of democracy, so let us install a strong man to our liking and have done with it. People are not smart enough to deal with their own every day medical needs; what we need is total insurance and government control, risk free. We should not be allowed to defend ourselves. The list is endless.

Well any way the Copperheads need to be soundly defeated. Because by giving our enemies hope they are prolonging the war.


Vote Bush.


And back to Steyn just to prove my point with a sledge hammer:
One thousand Americans are killed in 18 months in Iraq, and it's a quagmire. One thousand Quebecers are killed by insufficient hand-washing in their filthy, decrepit health care system, and kindly progressive Americans can't wait to bring it south of the border. If one has to die for a cause, bringing liberty to the Middle East is a nobler venture and a better bet than government health care.


Over at Winds of Change there is a nice piece dealing with whose house the bigots are living in. Especially the comments.

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03:21z 02 Nov 2004

Wretchard has done a nice piece on this theme. Have a look.