Friday, June 16, 2006

Unlawful Command Influence

Rep. Jack Murtha may be in deep do do over his Haditha comments. A story in the Washington Times gives the details:

A criminal defense attorney for a Marine under investigation in the Haditha killings says he will call a senior Democratic congressman as a trial witness, if his client is charged, to find out who told the lawmaker that U.S. troops are guilty of cold-blooded murder.

Attorney Neal A. Puckett told The Washington Times that Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, briefed Rep. John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania Democrat, on the Nov. 19 killings of 24 Iraqis in the town north of Baghdad. Mr. Murtha later told reporters that the Marines were guilty of killing the civilians in "cold blood." Mr. Murtha said he based his statement on Marine commanders, whom he did not identify.

Mr. Puckett said such public comments from a congressman via senior Marines amount to "unlawful command influence." He said potential Marine jurors could be biased by the knowledge that their commandant, the Corps' top officer, thinks the Haditha Marines are guilty.

"Congressman Murtha will be one of the first witnesses I call to the witness stand," Mr. Puckett said yesterday.
Unlawful Command Influence under the Uniform Code of Military Justice means poisoning the jury pool. It is a rule meant to prevent the hierarchical nature of the military from influencing the outcome of a military trial.

Not only that, it appears that veterans are rising up to defeat Murtha. He is being opposed by Diana Irey in the November elections. She is supported by Vets for Irey. This will get ugly.

Hat tip: Instapundit.

Update: 16 June '06 1618z
Sweetness & Light has a nice bit about how the lawyers are getting on the Haditha case.

Update: 16 June '06 1746z

I expound a bit on military justice at Sweetness & Light. Here is what I had to say:
Basically because the military is a strict hierarchy, the chain of command is supposed to stay out of all judicial matters not involving non-judicial punishment. And even those are subject to review. Once a command unduly puts its fingers on the scales of justice the prosecution is over. No matter which side the command put the pressure on. It is also a very big black mark on an officer’s career.
Update: 18 June '06 0905z

The Squiggler has more on the anti-Murtha campaign. Curiouser & Curiouser focuses on the Irey campaign.

Update: 10 Sept '06 0704z
Irey for Congress www site.

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17 comments:

Doug said...

The Savage Nation Starts the Avalanche!
Pictures from the San Diego Rally in Support of Marines
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Check out PJ Media for some weird super-strong Heroin adulterant.

M. Simon said...

Thanks doug,

I'm aware of the heroin bit. It is the sort of thing you get when you put criminals in charge of drug distribution.

Squiggler said...

Thanks for the link to The Squiggler and my coverage of Jack Murtha. Although I now live in So. Calif., Murtha represents my hometown where I was born and raised and still have friends. Every time I hear this senile old man, I think of my Dad and how he would be rolling over in his grave if he knew about Murtha and his claims. I agree this could get ugly, especially if the Vets join forces to defeat him.

I was the wife of a career military man, although not the Marines. The Navy doesn't stress the Semper Fi of the Marine Corps, but there is still a high priority put on service/command loyalty. It must be very hard for Marines to contemplate turning on one of their own, but loyalty includes keeping a comrade from losing his dignity thru either total stupidity or senility. In this case, I believe it is senility.

chancuff said...

THE ANATOMY OF BOOTMURTH.COM's and DIANA IREY's Crash & Burn

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/134103794?r=134103794#134103794

(Click all the links, or you'll get/be lost.)


Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

M. Simon said...

Cliff,

I followed the link (can you do html links?) and found nothing of substance. Just a bunch of name calling.

Perhaps you could give us a couple of sentences that clearly explain your point.

chancuff said...

"Swift Boat Veterans for Themselves" ignored a couple issues CRITICAL to our troops at war during the run-up to the 2004 election.

First they sat silent knowing full well that Bush NEVER USED the number of troops he incessantly claims his generals asked for. Turkey would not allow the 40,000 troops of the 4th to pass through and participate in Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Second, These same Lookatme! Showboaters sat silent when this very same troop shortage resulted in America's greatest tragedy of the war in Iraq.

EVERYONE who's ever gone through basic training knows that when you find your enemies weapons, you keep them secure.

Hundreds of tons of high explosives that our troops had captured at Al Qaqaa were abandoned specifically due to troops shortages, CREATED by Bush's incompetence in war.

These explosive stolen from Al Qaqaa are the weapons that have been used to blow our troops into too many parts to count each and every day of this war.

When some pasty butt wimp, like Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com, decides to pass his "gimme' some money" collection plate to support his concept of patriotism for a circus tent performance at The Cambria County War Memorial on October 1st of this year ...

Some would say there's nothing more patriotic than putting a moron who's never given a hoot about our troops at war (or he would have spoke up about those 40k troops left behind and Al Qaqaa IN 2004) in his proper place ...he's a coward.

To make matters even MORE entertaining, Larry Bailey actually thinks having John O'Neill, the original Lookatme! Show Boater, as his surprise guest speaker is a feather in his cap.

You may not like the stand John Murtha has been making, but for anyone who supports our troops at war, there's no way to respond to these idiot Swiftboaters' Reunion in Murtha's home town of Johnstown, Pa, than a chorus of Bronx raspberries.

I hope this clarifies.


Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
---------------------------------------------
Things are JUST NOT GOING WELL for the folks at the "Diana Irey for Congress" camp.

Diana Irey Press Release UPDATE!

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/911101894
(read first 4 posts, the rest if you fancy to)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/631100794

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/134103794
(click all links found in post, or you will get/be lost)

chancuff said...

"Swift Boat Veterans for Themselves" ignored a couple issues CRITICAL to our troops at war during the run-up to the 2004 election.

First, they sat silent knowing full well that Bush NEVER USED the number of troops he incessantly claims his generals asked for. Turkey would not allow the 40,000 troops of the 4th to pass through and participate in Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Bush waged war KNOWING our troops were 40,000 short.

Second, these same Lookatme! Showboaters sat silent when this very same troop shortage resulted in America's greatest tragedy of the war in Iraq.

EVERYONE who's ever gone through basic training knows that when you find your enemies weapons, you keep them secure.

Hundreds of tons of high explosives that our troops had captured at Al Qaqaa were abandoned specifically due to troops shortages, CREATED by Bush's incompetence in war.

These explosive stolen from Al Qaqaa are the weapons that have been used to blow our troops into too many parts to count each and every day of this war.

When some pasty butt wimp, like Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com, decides to pass his "gimme' some money" collection plate to support his concept of patriotism for a circus tent performance at The Cambria County War Memorial on October 1st of this year ...

Some would say there's nothing more patriotic than putting a moron who's never given a hoot about our troops at war (or he would have spoke up about those 40k troops left behind and Al Qaqaa IN 2004) in his proper place ...he's a coward.

To make matters even MORE entertaining, Larry Bailey actually thinks having John O'Neill, the original Lookatme! Show Boater, as his surprise guest speaker is a feather in his cap.

You may not like the stand John Murtha has been making, but for anyone who supports our troops at war, there's no way to respond to these idiot Swiftboaters' Reunion in Murtha's home town of Johnstown, Pa, than a chorus of Bronx raspberries.

I hope this clarifies.


Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
---------------------------------------------
Things are JUST NOT GOING WELL for the folks at the "Diana Irey for Congress" camp.

Diana Irey Press Release UPDATE!

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/911101894
(read first 4 posts, the rest if you fancy to)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/631100794

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/134103794
(click all links found in post, or you will get/be lost)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/197109694

chancuff said...

RE-POST WITH EXPLANATION. THE LINKS ABOVE ARE TRUNCATED AND NOT CORRECT. THE LINKS HERE MAY APPEAR THE SAME, BUT THEY POINT TO THE PROPER PLACES.
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Things are JUST NOT GOING WELL for the folks at the "Diana Irey for Congress" camp.

Diana Irey Press Release UPDATE!


http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/911101894
(read first 4 posts, the rest if you fancy to)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/631100794

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/134103794
(click all links found in post, or you will get/be lost)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/197109694

chancuff said...

RE-POST WITH EXPLANATION. THE LINKS ABOVE ARE TRUNCATED AND NOT CORRECT. THE LINKS HERE MAY APPEAR THE SAME, BUT THEY POINT TO THE PROPER PLACES.
------------------------------------------------


Things are JUST NOT GOING WELL for the folks at the "Diana Irey for Congress" camp.

Diana Irey Press Release UPDATE!


http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/911101894
(read first 4 posts, the rest if you fancy to)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/631100794

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/134103794
(click all links found in post, or you will get/be lost)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/197109694

M. Simon said...

Chancuff,

What you have given us is a bunch of blog commentary and not news.

Facts are important. Got any?

chancuff said...

"Facts are important. Got any?"

that was humor, riiiight?
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said...

"Swift Boat Veterans for Themselves" ignored a couple issues CRITICAL to our troops at war during the run-up to the 2004 election.

First they sat silent knowing full well that Bush NEVER USED the number of troops he incessantly claims his generals asked for. Turkey would not allow the 40,000 troops of the 4th to pass through and participate in Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Second, These same Lookatme! Showboaters sat silent when this very same troop shortage resulted in America's greatest tragedy of the war in Iraq.

EVERYONE who's ever gone through basic training knows that when you find your enemies weapons, you keep them secure.

Hundreds of tons of high explosives that our troops had captured at Al Qaqaa were abandoned specifically due to troops shortages, CREATED by Bush's incompetence in war.

These explosive stolen from Al Qaqaa are the weapons that have been used to blow our troops into too many parts to count each and every day of this war.

When some pasty butt wimp, like Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com, decides to pass his "gimme' some money" collection plate to support his concept of patriotism for a circus tent performance at The Cambria County War Memorial on October 1st of this year ...

Some would say there's nothing more patriotic than putting a moron who's never given a hoot about our troops at war (or he would have spoke up about those 40k troops left behind and Al Qaqaa IN 2004) in his proper place ...he's a coward.

To make matters even MORE entertaining, Larry Bailey actually thinks having John O'Neill, the original Lookatme! Show Boater, as his surprise guest speaker is a feather in his cap.

You may not like the stand John Murtha has been making, but for anyone who supports our troops at war, there's no way to respond to these idiot Swiftboaters' Reunion in Murtha's home town of Johnstown, Pa, than a chorus of Bronx raspberries.

I hope this clarifies.


Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
---------------------------------------------
Things are JUST NOT GOING WELL for the folks at the "Diana Irey for Congress" camp.

Diana Irey Press Release UPDATE!

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/911101894
(read first 4 posts, the rest if you fancy to)

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/631100794

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/fo...611/m/134103794
(click all links found in post, or you will get/be lost)

Tue Sep 12, 05:45:34 PM UTC

chancuff said...

Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com's private email address can be found at the top of this letter. Take a moment to drop him a note to ask if he's going to cut&run from my challenge.
For some samples of Diana Irey's Cut&Runs, go here:
http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/524108205?r=587104305#587104305
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Subject: RE: Iraqi Governemt Kicks Dubya's "Stay the Course" TO THE CURB!
Date: 9/14/2006 10:16:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
From: JournalismIsFlat
To: bootmurtha@cox.net
CC: diana@irey.com, bill@irey.com, kphiel@hotmail.com, jason@irey.com, Rusty@irey.com, lbailey@bootmurtha.com, publicist@bootmurtha.com, webmaster@bootmurtha.com, comment@bootmurtha.com, JournalismIsFlat, osc@bootmurtha.com, opditch@gmail.com


It's "Show Time", wimp.

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/628102694?r=262105205#262105205

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

chancuff said...

I've TRIED to shake some sense into Diana Irey and Bill Pascoe (her "handler") and Free Republic Freepers and their hero OP Ditch of vets4irey.com infamy for months. MAYBE these bootmurtha.com blokes have an once of common sense ... maybe not.

Write bootmurtha.com at bootmurtha@cox.net and ask Larry Bailey to give me 5 uninterrupted minutes onstage in Johnstown, PA on Oct. 1st. Johnstown is "put up, or shut-up" country.

I've called Larry Bailey a wimp and a coward more times than I can count.

Write him NOW and ask him if he's a man, or a mouse. I've already sent him this email below.



Subject: dummerthanadustbunny
Date: 9/17/2006 12:05:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
From: JournalismIsFlat
To: bootmurtha@cox.net
CC: diana@irey.com, kphiel@hotmail.com, jason@irey.com, Rusty@irey.com, lbailey@bootmurtha.com, publicist@bootmurtha.com, webmaster@bootmurtha.com, comment@bootmurtha.com, JournalismIsFlat, osc@bootmurtha.com, opditch@gmail.com


wanna' have a word with this goofy lil' Freeper's concept of psychological warfare, Larry?


http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/106104505?r=357108505#357108505

That dog don't hunt.

C'mon wimp, you're not scared of havin' me onstage on October 1st, are ya?

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

chancuff said...

As most who attended the rally know, I was there. After the dust had cleared created by some moonbat among the bootmurtha crowd who called in a fake police report that a fight had broken out, Larry Bailey came out to speak with me.


I complimented him from the bottom of my heart for the contributions he has made to our country's national security while he was serving active duty in the US Navy.

He made it clear my request to speak would not happen. He then proceeded to suggest he has no memory of the email he wrote me on 8/20/2006 2:59:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time stating that our current Commander in Chief made stupid mistakes in Iraq.

Larry then proceeded to illustrate stupid mistakes made in passed wars. After he mentioned 3 or 4 examples I interjected that there is a difference between those wars and this one.

In the past it took weeks, months, sometimes years for mistakes to be discovered and reported. Today is the information age where mistakes are reported within hours of their occurrence. I reminded him this war was still going on. I also reminded him of the glaring mistakes he had acknowledged President Bush had made in Iraq, and our respective use of the Internet to support our respective views and that is where our conversation ended.

I waited outside the Arena with a Johnstown police officer who had stayed behind after the bootmurtha hysterics caused 3 squad cars and a sergeant to arrive with sirens blaring. I was debating Steeler football with him when a motorcycle officer stopped by, who had been inside. When I asked how many were inside he said, "not many at all" When I asked "500?", he responded, "na ... well maybe 500, at most."

At the end of the event when Larry Bailey came out for a photo op next to the bootmurtha.com sign on the sidewalk outside the War Memorial Arena. I handed Larry the speech I had waited to deliver. He put it in his outside left coat pocket.

This is my speech Larry Bailey has in his coat pocket ... the words he was not man enough to let me say:


"Please join me in Prayer.

Heavily father we pray today for you to continue to protect the men and women of the armed forces of the United States and other countries who are in harms way in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other countries throughout the world. We thank them and their families for their sacrifices.

We pray for the souls of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in all wars. We pray for strength and courage for the POWs and MIAs and those held hostage.

We pray for protection and safety of relief workers helping those in need.

We pray for the protection of children and innocent civilians. Lord we especially pray for our nation and our leaders."


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Below you will find the press release that went out on October 29th of this year.
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LARRY BAILEY (BOOTMURTHA.COM) OCTOBER 1ST RALLY IN JOHNSTOWN, PA.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Cliff Hancuff
September 29, 2006 (202) 247-1418
Journalismisflat@aol.com

"American troops could be home now, except for critical mistakes made by our current Commander in Chief," charges Cliff Hancuff, Director of The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too.

"Media and right-wing bloggers are ignoring this fact. For weeks I have been challenging political activists and journalists to act with a minimum of ethical standards," continued Hancuff.

"I became involved when the Sun-Sentinel in Florida reported that Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) said the U.S. poses the top threat to world peace. I watched in dismay as the media and bloggers worldwide reported on this misquote."

"My involvement continued when I discovered Diana Irey, John Murtha's political opponent, had attacked Murtha using a fictional quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln."

"Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com is continuing his three year blind support of our current Commander in Chief's incompetence in war. President Bush declared war in Iraq without the 4th Infantry, our most lethal, modern, and deployable heavy division in the world," added Hancuff.

This mistake lead to the atrocity of Al Qaqaa. Iraqi insurgents stole hundreds of tons of high explosives to be used as weaponry.

"These are the explosives being used by Iraqi insurgents and al Qaeda to perpetuate the war in Iraq."

"I am distressed that the same issues ignored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004 are being ignored again in 2006," said Hancuff adding, "Americans, American soldiers, and their families deserve better."

"Without these critical mistakes made by our current Commander in Chief, our American troops would be home with their loved ones, with honor, right now."

On October 1, 2006 Hancuff be at the Cambria County War Memorial Arena located in Johnstown Pennsylvania for Larry Bailey's Swiftboating of John Murtha rally. It is there Hancuff will continue his wait for Mr. Bailey to recall the values of honor and integrity taught him by our US Navy.

There is a youtube.com video online at:

YouTube - Rovian Architecture Unplugged

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jcyHokFyE


The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
(202) 247-1418

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M. Simon said...

Uh, Chancuff,

So because mistakes are reported faster they should not happen? A truly novel approach.

You are leaving out lags. Suppse it takes 6 months to see that a policy is not working. It then gets reported instantly. Then suppose it takes another 6 to 9 months to revise policy and see how the new effort is working.

You expect because reporting is instataneous that results will be too?

It is really too bad that reporters don't have careers in the middle level of organizations before reporting on anything.

I was at the very bottom of the mid-level as an aerospace engineer. I have seen how orgnizations work. Sometimes they have to learn by making mistakes. The key is, if you know a policy is not going to be effective, is to be ready to help in the revision with a minimum of "I told you so".

What I have seen so far is a lot of criticism of Bush with no suggestion of how to fix it except to leave the Iraqis to their fate. I think that will be hard to sell to more than a minority.

Here is one thing that could be focused on to improve the Iraq situation:

Electricity

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M. Simon said...

No IVth Infantry?

Nothing in war goes according to plan.

Our "ally" Turkey prevented the IVth from deploying over its prefered route. The Turkish government leans towards the islamists these days (then too) so it was not a total surprise that tthey delayed the IVth instead of giving a flat no.

So the IVth went to Iraq a few weeks later than planned and out of position relative to the original plan.

In wartime (anytime actually) allies can be perfidious. Just look at the majority of Democrats these days.

Nothing new. Lincoln had Copperhead Democrats and FDR had a pack of Republicans at his heels.

The party out of power always discredits itself in war time. It would be nice if the MSM was on side. It is probably too much to expect. Their depth is limited. Mistakes they can see. A way out of the (inevitable) blunders is beyond them.

M. Simon said...

BTW Chancuff,

You will love this one:

Gitmo Nurse Speaks About Gitmo Detainees

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