Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Hamas: We Want Permanent War

Hamas says it will not accept a permanent cease fire with Israel.

According to the Deputy head of Hamas's political bureau, Moussa Abou Marzouk, the group would not talk about a permanent cease-fire so long as Israel continued its "occupation," and would instead continue the "resistance." He said that Hamas stands by its demand that Israel immediately halts its offensive, withdraws from the Gaza Strip, and opens all of the border crossings.

The borders between Israel and Gaza were closed when Hamas took control of the area in a violent coup against Palestinian Authority forces in June 2006. In July 2008, a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel was signed which permitted the borders to be opened permanently so long as Palestinian rocket fire into Israeli territory ceased. As rocket fire persisted, Israel periodically closed the borders. In December 2008 Hamas declared it would not renew the ceasefire due to Israeli "violations."
So the Philistines of Gaza, who voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, are now pawns of Hamas in their permanent war with the Jews.

There are signs Hamas may be weakening.
GAZA CITY, Gaza – Israel ordered a three-hour pause in its Gaza offensive Wednesday to allow food and fuel to reach besieged Palestinians, and said it welcomed a cease-fire proposal as long as Hamas halts rockets and weapons smuggling.

Hamas said any deal must include an opening of Gaza's borders. But the proposal still could mark the first sign of a possible break in 12 days of deadly fighting.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said in Paris that both Israel and the moderate Palestinian leadership in charge of the West Bank had accepted the truce proposal, but Israeli officials did not confirm that.

In Turkey, meanwhile, a diplomat said that country will be given the task of constructing an international force for Gaza.

Both Israel and Hamas appeared to seek guarantees about the details of a cease-fire, before agreeing to halt the fighting.

Israel said it would support the proposal only if it halts "hostile fire" from Hamas in Gaza and includes measures to prevent the militant group from rearming, said government spokesman Mark Regev.
It seems reasonable. Stop the rockets and prevent future attacks and the war is over.

Despite making war on Gaza, Israel is allowing food and water into Gaza. A very strange kind of war.
More than 500 aid trucks have been shipped into Gaza since operations began. But even when aid crosses into Gaza military operations have prevented officials from distributing it, leading to food shortages in some areas.

A World Bank statement Wednesday said there are growing signs of a severe public health crisis in Gaza because of a shortage of drinking water and an escalating failure of the sewage system.

Militants hit the Israeli city of Ashkelon on Wednesday with a medium-range rocket, causing no casualties. Rocket fire has fallen off somewhat as Israeli troops tighten their hold on Gaza, taking over open areas used to launch rockets, but Gaza residents say militants are still launching from heavily populated areas.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said the initiative he proposed with Sarkozy calls for an immediate cease-fire by Israel and Palestinian factions for a limited period to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and an urgent meeting of Israel and the Palestinian side on arrangements to prevent any repetition of military action and to deal with the causes.
There is one minor difficulty. Hamas will not engage in direct talks with Israel because it refuses to recognize Israel.
Tuesday, 14 November 2006, 13:58 GMT

The demand that Hamas renounce violence and recognise Israel is at the heart of a dispute with Western donors who have cut off direct aid.

Unity talks continue between Hamas and the other Palestinian faction Fatah.

On Monday, the factions appeared to make some progress with agreement on a candidate for prime minister.

A Hamas spokesman said on Tuesday that Hamas "was not favourable to the two-state solution [a Palestinian state alongside a secure Israel] because that would entail recognition of Israel".
Of course Israel is within its rights to refuse to recognize Hamas. With Gaza falling apart it will be interesting to see how much longer Hamas can hold on to its crumbling position. The Philistines and their muslim enablers seem to go from one nakba (catastrophe) to another. Every war they fight leaves them worse off. Let me offer them the advice Gerd von Rundstedt once offered some German Generals who asked him what to do after the Allies had established themselves in Normandy, "Make peace you fools".

Cross Posted at Classical Values


rumcrook said...

the muslims of gaza are like the knight garding the bridge in monty pythons holy grail, you cut off his arm he calls it a scratch, you relieve him of arms and legs he still wont be civil, left as a head you ignore and walk past and he's shouting out coward come back and fight.

thier is only one way to deal with hammas its to kill all of them. israel needs to do it now.

they may not get another chance.

I keep hearing pundits talk about thier exit strategy, its simple it should be victory. victory should be fighting through gaza till thier is no more hammas willing to fight back.

Mathew said...

It is so obvious ----"Israel has no intention of allowing a viable, sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the 1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied."----

Poor Gaza --" Israel nails shut the coffin that is Gaza under a siege that has lasted nearly three years, steadily intensifying so that malnutrition rates rival those of sub-Saharan Africa, sewage runs raw in the streets and pollutes the ocean, homes are still being bulldozed to super-add collective punishment upon collective punishment; men, women and children are still being sniped at and killed; children are deafened by continuing sonic booms, the vast majority of them suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, and many of that majority have no ambition other than becoming "martyrs" "-----

The best MSM quote here

A war?
Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely crowded refugee camps and slums, to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command and control, no army, and calls it a war.

It is not a war. It is murder.”
Chris Hedges
New York Times correspondent.

Zieg Heil ---Israel Uber Alles

M. Simon said...


The Israeli and Philistine economies were integrating well in 2000 when the Philistines decided that suicide bombing was a good idea.

And why did the Philistine leaders decide that a good economics was a bad idea? Because, they would not only lose power but also they would have no interest in fighting.

So the Philistine leaders decided on a war policy designed to wreck the Philistine economy and the integration of the two economies stopped and in fact reversed.

It is not the Israelis who are against a Philistine State. It is the Philistine leadership.

The Philistines are getting the government they voted for. Most Unfortunate.

As long as they vote for nakba they will get nakba.

The latest dust up is just a further example of that. The current dust up could have been prevented by stopping the rockets.

rumcrook said...

pretty much everything mathew said is a load of crap.

and you can tell where he comes from in the start he doesnt even really beleive israel has a right to exist. if you pushed him he would admit it.

massacres? ploys? you have a tiny land with a tiny population surrounded by teaming millions of arabs, but they are the bad guys doing bad things? the arabs by thier own admission left most of the disputed lands becuase thier arab bretheren told them too. told them they were going to exterminate the jews and not to get in the way. they left not becuase jewish nieghbors forced them out but inlarge part becuase the arabs refuse to live in peace with jews. and becuase the jews fought tenaciously at each war the arabs have found themselves in a worse situation after each adventure of war they started.

"poor gaza has been purposely trying to make war on and kill israelis for 8 years if they stopped they would have the relative peace and begainings of prosperity real peaceful coexistance with israel would bring them.

instead they practice death worship and evil beyond belief.

so you are a traveler with scum like hamas or your a fool.