Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Side Effects

Why are so many blacks aborting in comparison to the rest of the population? It is due to a lack of fathers. And why is there a lack of fathers? Well black men have been disproportionately swept up in the criminal justice system due to the drug war.

Demographics

If socons were really serious about reducing the abortion rate significantly they would be out front in calling for an end to the drug war. Crickets.

The disasters pile up and yet the faith in government solutions persists. And of course because of unintended consequences more government is required.

Cross Posted at Classical Values

14 comments:

RavingDave said...

Margaret Sanger started Planned Parenthood for the purpose of controlling the population of "Inferior Peoples", and was a big eugenics proponent. Of course that was the "Progressives" mindset back in those days.
(see National Socialists)

Margaret Sanger also happened to be the girlfriend of Roger Baldwin, founder of the ACLU. She was arrested numerous times for taking her clothee off in public. She was quite the bohemian back in her day.

In any case, the lack of Black fathers has less to do with drugs than the fact that the U.S. Government makes them superfluous. That's that Culture war thing I mentioned before.

Oh, last time I checked, it appeared that Planned Parenthood had an over abundance of Abortion clinics located in primarily black areas. Convenience might account for some of it.


David

M. Simon said...

Dave,

But why are abortions proportionately more frequent in the black community?

I would think that having so many males locked away and a significant portion of those who are not having lower earning potential than welfare due to felony convictions must have something to do with it.

You know. The culture war thing.

Another effect on black women who want to better themselves is that a baby or another baby might interfere with school more significantly with no male in the household.

Have you seen any actual studies with data? Conjecture is fun but it would be nice to actually know something.

What we do know is that having a father in the house makes for more prosperous families and having 1/3 of the males of the community in the criminal justice system is certainly not helping family formation. You know. The culture war thing.

When the government does stupid things at our behest there are always unintended consequences. See prohibition, alcohol.

Simon

M. Simon said...

Did you know that the ACLU was supporting Joe the Plumber?

And that socons were in cahoots with the Progressives back in the day?

Things change.

Plus there was quite a Nazi movement in the USA pre WW2. And antisemitism in the USA peaked in 1944. Pictures of the camps must have had an influence on that. There is one slippery slope we avoided.

Tom Cuddihy said...

simon,
you're pretty out on a thin limb with your theory. Want some facts?

Percentage of black children born without a father: 80%. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/06/economic-opport.html

Percentage of black males incarcerated: 12%. http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64

i.e. you have a 68 point gap between incarceration rates and out-of-wedlock birth rates.

What accounts for the 70% of black mothers who don't have a man in prison but don't have a father anyway? Is that due to the drug war?

Yes, I noticed the ACLU protested the gross violations of privacy law by government officials on Joe the Plumber...after the election was over and their candidate was safely elected. This is pro-forma by the ACLU becuase it is an element of their stated core mission.

If they actually cared they would have stood up and used their media megaphone on this issue 3 months ago when might have had more impact.

M. Simon said...

Tom,

It ruins the earning power of any on IN prison or currently IN the criminal justice system.

Those currently in the system or directly in prison are 1/3 of the black male population.

I have no figures for those ever in. It is probably higher. A lot higher.

Now what does that do?

According to

Demographics

a link I have posted in a number of threads and which you have obviously never read, girls go wild. i.e. free sex.

Now obviously that has ruined the black culture. It will probably take a century or more to rebuild. Once the drug war stops.

Women want that money. And what we have done is make the government the husband of last resort for those women. Or maybe even first resort.

And what else has it done? Turned black neighborhoods into war zones. When I lived in Chicago I had black friends in predominately black neighborhoods. When ever me and my black friend would go visit those neighborhoods we had a name for it - "visiting the zone". A place with no law and no order.

Now I don't care for Rev. Wright one bit. But, you know, I'm sure he sees all this. Which might explain "GD America".

M. Simon said...

Tom,

Joe The Plumber was only an issue in the last two or three weeks of the campaign.

How in the heck was the ACLU going to do anything three months ago?

First you have Joe. Then the attacks. Then the information on the perpetrators of the attacks. Then you have meetings of the ACLU to decide if it is a case they want to take up.

I'd say given the course of events the ACLU was moving fairly fast.

99% said...

I guess we can now add "Black Pregnancies Out of Wedlock Expert" to your list of distinguished titles.

Great story about you and your one black friend. What a bunch of hubris. As the old saying goes, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt".

Your mouth appears to be permanently open.

RavingDave said...

99% is amusing.


David

John_David_Galt said...

Tom has it right.

Granted, the drug war *does* disproportionately harm blacks and other minorities (and in fact was openly founded for just that purpose back in the 1880s; the safety arguments were made up later).

But the reason all those kids are born out of wedlock is that the welfare system is designed to subsidize exactly that behavior. Any teenage girl can get welfare payments to set up her own household and thereby get away from her parents -- simply by giving birth.

The Clinton era welfare reforms were supposed to address this problem but didn't, because they only reduce payments from the government. Result: women and girls who want to go this route simply trick some man into getting them pregnant (by contraceptive fraud), then make HIM pay the subsidy.

This is why the child support enforcement system so badly needs to be reformed or overthrown. Women who have children they can't support MUST no longer be allowed to keep them. It's the only solution to an endless cycle of welfare babies, welfare mothers, and men enslaved by fraud with the legal system helping it happen.

M. Simon said...

JDG,

Totally agree. Re: welfare reform.

RavingDave said...

I have said for years. You get one on us/U.S. . We'll pay for your delivery, we'll pay for your babies food and shelter, etc.

However... you and the man who got you pregnant will be (reversibly) sterilized, that is, unless you and he pay your own bills.

It will save everyone involved much misery in the long run, especially the not yet born children.


David

M. Simon said...

David,

Yeah. That sounds good. Communist China 2.0

There is a lot to be said for that. If Liberty scares you to death.

RavingDave said...

I guess you're serious. If you're so much into freedcm, why do you think it is reasonable to take my money to give to people behaving irresponsibly ?

What about MY freedom ?

What about MY freedom ?


David

M. Simon said...

Well Dave.

I guess if you are going to have welfare you are going to have to have sterilizations.

Now about your freedom: why not attack the root cause instead of another government program to fix the first one that didn't work.

You aren't one of them "the government will fix the problems caused by government" types are you?

I mean it is like Americans have lost the ability to think. I blame illegal drugs. People are not taking enough of them.