Monday, September 21, 2009

Values Voters Ask A Question

I always thought that the thing to do was to bless people in the hope that they would see the light. These "Values Voters" from 2007 don't seem to see things that way.

The New York Times reports on the 2009 Values Voters Summit. The Times does have some good news for us libertarian types.
At a time when the Republican Party is in search of new leaders, the procession of familiar faces on stage Friday and in the audience was striking. Two of the party’s biggest names — Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, and Sarah Palin, the party’s vice-presidential nominee in 2008 — did not show up at all, citing scheduling conflicts.

Many Republicans have been arguing that the party’s focus on social issues is a mistake at a time when voters are concerned about the economic downturn and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. But the emphasis at the summit, sponsored by the Family Research Council, was still decidedly on issues like same-sex marriage and abortion.
These Republicans don't seem to have any understanding of the "leave us alone" voters.

And just in case you want to know the words to the song in the video I have a link. It is some ugly shit. Really ugly shit. Ungodly ugly shit. Some one should tell these folks to put a sock in it if they are interested in winning elections.

Because come the next election I may have to make a choice between a communist and a theocon. If that is the choice I'm given I'm going to do the same thing I did the last time I was given that choice. I'm going to vote for the communist.

Cross Posted at Classical Values


Tom Cuddihy said...

once again proving the self-destructive instincts of libertarianism...

Seriously, Simon, has there been some religious theocracy in power at any time in USA's history that I don't know about? Because while I can point to many gastly, inhuman outcomes of socialism and communism in action, I have yet to see the big terror of religious (but by religious you actually mean Christian) conservatism. As far as I can tell, they have never done anything to actually harm people other than to speak their minds.

Although I guess for some that is worse than reeducation camps.

I don't know why I bother pointing this out. Your ears and heart appear to be closed in this regard, despite the lack of evidence supporting your belief.

Tom Cuddihy said...

btw, a correction to an inference you appear to have made.

Gingrich has never been a big player in the "values" side of the Republican coalition except as the party leader. I'm not sure he's ever gone to the Values Voters Summit before.

M. Simon said...


I give theocons the same respect they give Ronald Reagan.

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.” - Ronald Reagan Reason Magazine July 1975

I don't care any more for Republican Socialism than I do for Democrat Socialism.

One wants control of morality through government the other wants control of economics through government.

I'm against both. But given the choice between a communist and a theocon I choose the communist. As lots of Republicans did in 2004. Look at the numbers I linked to and do the math. That is reality. Fail to deal with it at your electoral peril.

And you are telling me that you endorse what those folks are singing? I find it hateful in the extreme. I'm sorry that bothers you. However, I am not alone.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. Thomas Jefferson

I'm a strong supporter of Sarah Palin. I admire her faith. I admire even more her tolerance and her unwillingness to enact her faith into law.

M. Simon said...

America is a center right nation. And I'm very happy with that.

What I am unhappy with is our politicians and those statists like Huckabee [[cough]] who want to hijack our government for their narrow ends.

I want to be left alone.

M. Simon said...

And yes. Abortion is ugly. I'm personally against it. But I consider it Darwin in action.

Democrats are not reproducing. Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

M. Simon said...


I'm a product of the Jewish experience. Maybe we are too touchy. But we have not been welcome on the right for the longest time - thousands of years.

Here is a book to read to give you some history:

Why Are Jews Liberals?

So when Conservatives start in with the statist crap I'm not comfortable at all. Neither am I comfortable when the left does it.

The camps in Germany can be traced back to Martin Luther. The pogroms of Russia (that continued to the end - Czarist or Communist) can be traced back to the Orthodox Church. Stalin after all was at one time studying to be a priest.

Explain the difference between the singers in the video and Rev. Wright's "God Damn America".

I don't like it. Not one bit. Not any of it.

Perhaps you need to have a talk with your Values Voters friends and tell them that they are unAmerican.

And if exposing their crap makes you uncomfortable then perhaps they need to rethink their values. Perhaps being closer to them than I am you could give them a friendly bit of advice. Tell them to quit cursing the darkness and start lighting candles.

M. Simon said...


Here is the core question for me.

What is the difference between the Value Voters video and Jeremiah Wright's "God Damn America" other than presentation?

I find both offensive.

M. Simon said...

And let me add that George Patton accepted the French as allies. It didn't mean he had to like them.

"I'd rather have a German division in front of me, than a French one behind."