tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post109979502362729426..comments2024-03-19T01:48:39.709+00:00Comments on Power and Control: Origins of Islamic RageM. Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-6085742526795516552007-12-12T18:33:00.000+00:002007-12-12T18:33:00.000+00:00I think that more people need to read "The Arab Mi...I think that more people need to read "The Arab Mind"by Raphael Patai (Author), Norvell B. De Atkine (Foreword) before making comments on why Muslims do what they do. <BR/><BR/>The first mistake by many is Labeling Muslims in the Middle East as just Muslim, when it is more accurate to call them Arab Muslims. There is a huge difference. Arabs descend from Bedouins and so they have certain traits that coincide with these nomads even today. i will not list just read the book.<BR/><BR/>Many people don’t understand Arab Muslims and i am not saying i do but i do understand enough to know that they don’t have what we in the west would call guilt or a conscience. Those are inward personal feelings that tell you that something is right or wrong. Arabs are different in that guilt is not in their thinking. They have something called 'Face'. We have it too but much less of a deterrent or motivator. Face is closely link to 'Honor'. The combinations of the two are traits of the Bedouins and modern day Arabs. So while westerners are motivated by inward forces such as guilt, Arabs are outward. They have to save face so not to lose honor.<BR/><BR/>Passerby is narrow mindedly right in that Arab Muslims hate us because we are in so called Muslim countries. Therefore Arabs fight us because they have lost their face and honor by us being there.<BR/><BR/>But that's just part of the story. You have to then add the Koran to the picture. Muslims are to be a superior religion to all other. Do to the fact that the west is so much more advanced then Arab countries that too brings on dishonor or 'dirties the face'. The only way to regain their face is to make all others submit to Allah or Islam. You can see these traits by just listening to the majority of terrorist and even peaceful Arab Muslims, If they are telling you the truth, but that a whole another discussion.<BR/><BR/>So even if we weren’t in any Arab countries we would still be hated because we dishonor Islam by being more advanced and them relying on us for things.<BR/><BR/>The United States is located in Hundreds of countries around the world and only Arab Muslims are fighting violently against it. Why? Is it just "because we are there"? Like Passerby says. If that was so then the entire world would be fighting each other because some other country has a base in their own country. But it isn’t like that its only the Arab countries that have people doing terrorist activity because we are there.<BR/><BR/>Saudi Arabia had the most representation on 9/11. Is it because the royal family allows us to have a base in the country? On in the since that it dishonors them.<BR/><BR/>Passerby and most others are right that power is one big factor in the Arab problem. But that can be explained by "tribalism" as well. It is a huge trait of all Bedouins. <BR/><BR/>So Passerby "Tribalism" does explain most of all the problems with Arabs to date. You just need to read a little more about a particular tribe called Bedouin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-38814804476496762592007-03-18T19:56:00.000+00:002007-03-18T19:56:00.000+00:00Why is it that I keep on hearing that Christians a...Why is it that I keep on hearing that Christians are sexually repressed? Is it because many of us think that sex is inappropriate outside of marriage? All the women in my Mom's group have a good old time with our hubbies quite regularly and don't understand why people think that a trusting, stable, relationship based on commitment would be repressing? I tried the whole sleep with whoever you want whenever you want thing when I was young and it just doesn't measure up to the sex in a loving christian marriage!<BR/><BR/>So stop equating christianity with sexual repression!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1167411273246527472006-12-29T16:54:00.000+00:002006-12-29T16:54:00.000+00:00passerby,As long as we are human we will have the ...passerby,<BR/><BR/>As long as we are human we will have the alpha male problem.<BR/><BR/>If you look at human history - freedom is not much in evidence. No matter how desireable for the individual it is unusual. It takes effort.<BR/><BR/>Tribalism is the natural state of humankind. It is what you would expect from genetics. The closer the genetic connection, the more trust given to the individual.<BR/><BR/>A place or a world where Jewish/Christian values predominate is a better world in my opinion. "All men are created equal" is an anti-tribalist statement. However, it is not natural. The Islamics are correct. Their system is more in accord with humans as they exist in a state of nature. <BR/><BR/>As to the sexual theories etc. You need to look into my work on PTSD. Start with:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/heroin.html" REL="nofollow">Heroin</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/04/ptsd-and-endocannabinoid-system.html" REL="nofollow">PTSD and the Endocannabinoid System</A><BR/><BR/>Men with PTSD are more prone to violence than men without. Sexual assault on children is a good way of creating a person with long term PTSD problems (providing the genetics are correct).<BR/><BR/>If violence against children is endemic, you then have a resevoir of angry males for jihad. i.e. some one has to pay for the torment of the individual. Since we are genetically biased against looking at the evil of our parents it then must be ascribed to some outside source.<BR/><BR/>When we start getting the connection between biology and politics (monkey politics) we will get better political systems. <BR/><BR/>When Kissenger said "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac" he wasn't kidding. That is only one example of the relation between biology and politics. <BR/><BR/>Sociobiology is more or less accepted. What I am looking at is a subset of that. Politicobiology. Thus, power and control.<BR/><BR/>My recent piece on drug prohibition <A HREF="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/12/it-was-never-about-drugs.html" REL="nofollow">It Was Never About The Drugs</A> is another example of NORMAl human behavior. Dividing the ins from the outs.<BR/><BR/>Or try <A HREF="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/how-to-put-end-to-drug-users.html" REL="nofollow">How To Put An End To Drug Users</A>. Which discusses (in a round about way) how the impulse for genocide is wired into the human system. It discusses how that wiring is activated.<BR/><BR/>So near to the gods. So close to the devils. Between heaven and hell.<BR/><BR/>Why? Because, Power and Control gives a reproductive advantage.<BR/><BR/>Politicobiology explains why there will always be an opposition party.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1167408355017856002006-12-29T16:05:00.000+00:002006-12-29T16:05:00.000+00:00Firstly a correction. It was Robert Pape who wrote...Firstly a correction. It was Robert Pape who wrote 'dying to win:...', not Michael Scheuer.<BR/><BR/>I disagree that power and control are the issues for humanity for all time. That place belongs to freedom, the difference being that freedom sides with the individual and intends they should NOT be under external control, where the concept of power extends itself from the individual to others. I'm sure you'll agree now it's been pointed out.<BR/><BR/>Voting is better than some systems but in the end its just the same external control. It might be better than control by a single man (or woman) but Randy Weaver can tell you exactly how failure prone it is. <BR/><BR/>I maintain the repressed sexuality theory proposed is garbage. It reflects the mindset of its proponents more than its subjects.<BR/><BR/>I thought your piece on tribalism was good, but limited to applying it to Islamic fundamentalism, when there seems to be much more dangerous growths (religious and not, mostly not) within our own countries. I'm interested to know what your opinion is of the growth of tribalism in the west.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1167336729926918172006-12-28T20:12:00.000+00:002006-12-28T20:12:00.000+00:00passerby,Power and control are the issues of all t...passerby,<BR/><BR/>Power and control are the issues of all time for humans.<BR/><BR/>I do have my issues. Mine with the Arab/Islamics is that they prefer the traditional method of choosing the alpha male (tooth and claw) and I prefer voting.<BR/><BR/>In any case I worked for many years in the electrical Power and Control industry. I have brought up from a cold start a 1,000 MWth nuclear reactor. I have designed aircraft generator control systems (50KW). Servo control systems. Auto tuning servo control systems. etc.<BR/><BR/>So yeah. I'm into power and control. <BR/><BR/>I also note that the more energy slaves we haved the fewer human slaves required.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1167330295767833292006-12-28T18:24:00.000+00:002006-12-28T18:24:00.000+00:00Gabriel, i think the answer to why Amish are not l...Gabriel, i think the answer to why <BR/>Amish are not like this is that that particular fact demonstrates the theory is wrong, and has fastened on an unimportant feature of the culture as if it were a cause, but the chain of logic seems weak to me. Every religion i know of warns sex is closely related to sin, and from there to evil. I digress, but you should also point out that the repression of women frequently pinned on Islam is actually a feature of Arab culture. Islamic countires have elected women to their highest offices at least twice (Pakistan and Indonesia), while the US never has. Case closed.<BR/><BR/>The main reason for Islamic rage seems to be because we are there. Michael Scheuer's book 'Dying to Win: The logic of suicide terrorism' makes this point well, showing that suicide bombers come mostly from countries that are occupied - 10 times as often as from those that are not. By comparison, they occur only twice as commonly from countries that practice wahibism as from countries that don't. Dr Nancy Korbin might disagree, but psychoanalysis is a pseudoscience.<BR/><BR/>A secondary explanation seems to be the need for power, and the need to keep out the world it entails. In short, Tribalism as this blog calls it. Such cultures are big on Power and Control (where have i heard that expression before). I wonder, m.simon, if you aren't really angry at Islam because you see the same faults in yourself. ('My Guru says the object of every adept ought to be Power and Control. It is mine'. My Preacher says that statement paraphrases Lucifer. My heart says it does as well.)<BR/><BR/>Tribalism, though, does explain a fair bit of their behaviour, and unfortunately tribalism is on the increase in the World, in the West as much as anywhere. It comes in actual tribalism of ethnic groups and also in the separation of different cultures. My experience has been that even within ethnic groups everybody over 25 and under 25 represent almost totally different cultures these days, and it can be seen in the way that gangs are common like never before. In many ways the invasion isn't just here, it's already half over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1165594123863722342006-12-08T16:08:00.000+00:002006-12-08T16:08:00.000+00:00How can humans with the alpha-male problem be just...How can humans with the alpha-male problem be just good or neutral?<BR/><BR/>The desire for power and control is at the root of our political problems.<BR/><BR/>Say "power and control", kind of a catchy name for a blog don't you think?<BR/><BR/>You might want to look at:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/09/tribalism.html" REL="nofollow">Tribalism</A>M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1165582412488626232006-12-08T12:53:00.000+00:002006-12-08T12:53:00.000+00:00As long as you hold to the romantic notion that pe...As long as you hold to the romantic notion that people are born either "good" or "neutral" you will continue to build failed models for society. Human nature is tragically flawed and our hatreds, wars, murders and prejudices flow from us just as naturally as catty remarks from a clatche of 8th grade girls, or a fistfight between their male friends.We bear the (good) image of our Creator and are not devils, but that nature is bent and prone to evil over good. Until we get over snidely dismissing that as arcane puritanism, we will continue to watch our own culture implode.Snarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14653825247610794308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1165167479169543692006-12-03T17:37:00.000+00:002006-12-03T17:37:00.000+00:00These analysis pick up on some of the problems, bu...These analysis pick up on some of the problems, but I don't think they go deep enough. <BR/><BR/>It makes me wonder, why didn't we see the same rage and violence from similar puritanical Christians? Like the Amish that immediately forgave and comforted the family of the man who shot up an Amish Schoolhouse full of women? <BR/><BR/>Further, muslims have always been violent. Whereas Christianity took over the Roman empire from within, peacefully, Islam created it's Ottoman empire by the sword. <BR/><BR/>I think deep-seated sexual frustration plays a large role, especially in today's more radical elements, but it seems more of a symptom than a cause. <BR/><BR/>Either way, interesting, important subject. Given enough time and thought, we'll figure it out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1148160921562183772006-05-20T21:35:00.000+00:002006-05-20T21:35:00.000+00:00Looks like doug might need to eat some french race...Looks like doug might need to eat some french race riots and British suicide bombing.Ymarsakarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246906722493964175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-1104375172776527132004-12-30T02:52:00.000+00:002004-12-30T02:52:00.000+00:00Comment for Doug: remember van Gogh? remember the ...Comment for Doug: remember van Gogh? remember the Madrid? or do you simply live under a rock?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com