tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post8469843540302553030..comments2024-03-19T01:48:39.709+00:00Comments on Power and Control: Obama Birth Certificate Issue Heats UpM. Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-66198061512581617452008-08-06T01:14:00.000+00:002008-08-06T01:14:00.000+00:00To be a natural born citizen as a matter of law, o...<EM>To be a natural born citizen as a matter of law, one must either have been born within the boundary's of the USA (to include it's territorys and possessions) or be the child of US citizens who's birth was registered by them at the time with the US government (thereby formally confirming US citizenship) by one of several mechanisms established to register such a birth.--Will</EM><BR/><BR/>Case Law:<BR/><BR/>United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): A person born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. to non-citizens who "are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity" is automatically a citizen.<BR/><BR/>Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308 (1961): A person born in 1906, whose mother was a native-born citizen of the United States and whose father was a foreign citizen, who was born overseas and then moved to the United States, was not a citizen of the United States by birth. (Note that the relevant laws have changed considerably since 1906, so this decision does not necessarily apply to later cases.)<BR/><BR/>Wiki<BR/><BR/>It seems the whole issue revolves on location of birth, not parents' status. My point, poorly expressed, goes to the issue of evidence, or even possibility that he was born anywhere except Hawaii. <BR/>Has anyone proposed an alternate location for his birth, and how credible is it?<BR/><BR/>I agree this needs to be sorted out by legal action.<BR/><BR/>I skipped over the later post on this to check this thread. Maybe some answers are there.linearthinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201292791445921817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-42256420484990584792008-08-05T15:52:00.000+00:002008-08-05T15:52:00.000+00:00linearthinker,The most interesting question is: Wh...linearthinker,<BR/><BR/>The most interesting question is: <BR/><BR/>What is Obama trying to hide? No one cares if he is a bastard (other than his politics).<BR/><BR/>What does the original tell us that he does not want us to know?<BR/><BR/>He could put and end to this controversy by authorizing a release of the document to a trusted third party. (KOS isn't it)<BR/><BR/>Why hasn't he?<BR/><BR/>Bill Clinton seems to know something. I'm sure he will let it out when it will do the most damage to Obama and the Democrat Party hacks who pushed his candidacy. He intends to take them all down is my guess.<BR/><BR/>BTW the sister was born in Indonesia so I've heard. How did she get a Hawaiian COLB?M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-77137220143819716712008-08-05T08:31:00.000+00:002008-08-05T08:31:00.000+00:00Jeez, I can't even spell elegability wrong the sam...Jeez, I can't even spell elegability wrong the same way twice in the same paragraph!<BR/><BR/>It's late ... Sorry. :)Will Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454533450309633627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-84858829548584578132008-08-05T08:25:00.000+00:002008-08-05T08:25:00.000+00:00linearthinker,Whatever Obama's parents citizenship...linearthinker,<BR/><BR/>Whatever Obama's <I>parents</I> citizenship might have been is irrelavant to the question at hand. Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution is explicit as to the <I>candidate's</I> qualifying status: a "natural born citizen", at least 35 years of age and 14 years a resident of the US. <BR/><BR/>To be a natural born citizen as a matter of law, one must either have been born within the boundary's of the USA (to include it's territorys and possessions) or be the child of US citizens who's birth was registered by them at the time with the US government (thereby formally confirming US citizenship) by one of several mechanisms established to register such a birth.<BR/><BR/>If Obama can't produce a document that details one of these two basic catagories, he can't prove his eligability to attain the office. Additionally, if he has previously profferred a false document to election authorities, his elegibility for his <I>currentM</I> office is called into question as well. <BR/><BR/>Not to mention the less-than-minor matter of fraud.<BR/><BR/>There is (potentially) a very great deal riding on this question. I personally suspect someone is going to force this issue into the courts. The Constitution is silent as regards the minimum legal standard necessary to document an individual's qualification for office; I wonder what the courts have ruled on this question in the past? I've seen nothing about that written anywhere yet.Will Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454533450309633627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-21612820997966058232008-08-05T07:18:00.000+00:002008-08-05T07:18:00.000+00:00I'm probably wrong, but the Constitution doesn't s...I'm probably wrong, but the Constitution doesn't seem to address legitimacy, so what's the fuss? If his mother was a US citizen, and he was born on US territory, i.e., Hawaii, he'd be ok, no? What am I missing?<BR/><BR/>We all know he's a clever politcal hack from Chicago with indelible ties to homegrown terrorists, black liberation theologists, is favored for election by Hamas and Hezbollah, and spins in the wind like a whirling dervish. Do we really need to flog him over whether he's a bastard, too?linearthinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201292791445921817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-15644747943211915612008-08-05T07:08:00.000+00:002008-08-05T07:08:00.000+00:00Thanks for the reminder from Gracie.Also from the ...Thanks for the reminder from Gracie.<BR/><BR/>Also from the Airplane, "Don't you need somebody to love?" was playing on the radio when I packed my shaving kit to report for induction in July, 1966. It's seared, seared into my memory.linearthinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201292791445921817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8282587.post-72353541524477339562008-08-05T04:13:00.000+00:002008-08-05T04:13:00.000+00:00Hmmmmm.I think the validity of the marriage, parti...Hmmmmm.<BR/><BR/>I think the validity of the marriage, particularly since the "husband" wasn't a citizen, is almost irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com